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| Jinzoningen Gx-Mecha 8 | Dec 14 2008, 02:45 AM Post #1 |
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Here is a list that I think is correct but if you dont thinks so......well post your thoughts here...... I also thought of some appropriate tiltles for fun let me know what you think of them  There might be some little diffenrences with the actual amount but this is how I remembered them, If I am not 100% sure there will be a * at the end of the number.... (first come baddies and then goodies) The Power Levels after Furiza Saga are speculation and the way that I personally think they are.... if you have any questions just ask me.... .:Scared Farmer:. Raditzu - 1 200 Farmer with Shotgun - 5 .:Rescue:. Raditzu - 1 200 Piccolo (with weighted clothing) - 322 Piccolo (without weighted clothing) - 408 Piccolo's Makankosappo (1st Try) - 1 330 Piccolo's Makankosappo (2nd Try) - 1 440 Son Goku (with weighted clothing) - 334 Son Goku (without weighted clothing) - 416 Son Goku (with Kamehameha) - 924 Son Gohan - 1 126* .:The Reserves:. Kame-sennin: 139 Turtle: 0.001 Kuririn: 206 Tieshinhan: 250 Yamucha: 177 .:Brute Force from Outerspace:. Saibamen - 1 200 Nappa - 4000 Yamucha - 1 480 Chaoz - 610 Tien - 1 830 Kuririn - 1 083 Kuririn (max power) - 1 770 Piccolo - 1 220 Piccolo (max power) - 3 500 Son Gohan - 981 Son Gohan (Masenko) - 2 800 .:Saiyajin Showdown:. Vegeta - 18 000 Oozaru Vegeta - 180 000 Son Goku - 5 000 Son Goku (Powered Up) - 8 000 Son Goku (Kaioken x1) - 12 000 Son Goku (Kaioken x2) - 16 000 Son Goku (Kaioken x3) - 24 000 Son Goku (Kaioken x4) - 32 000 .:Furiza's Search Party:. Furiza's Minions - 500* Son Gohan - 3 500 Kuririn - 2 700 .:Old Rival:. Cui - 19 00 Vegeta - 24 000 .:Namek fight Back:. Zarbon - 23 000 Dodoria - 21 000 Namekian Fighters - 1,000 - 3,000 .:The Pink Blimp:. Dodoria - 21 000 Vegeta - 24 000 .:Vain Monster:. Zarbon - 23 000 Zarbon (Monster Form): 33 000 Vegeta - 24 000 .:Dead Handsome:. Zarbon - 23 000 Zarbon (Monster Form) - 33 000 Vegeta - 35 000 .:The Epic Ginyu Tokusentai:. Guldo - 10 000 Recoome - 40 000 Kuririn - 16 500 Son Gohan - 18 000 Son Gohan (Masenko) - 25 000 Vegeta - 35 000 Son Goku - 60 000 .:The not so Epic Ginyu Tokusentai:. Jeice - 42 000 Burter - 45 000 Ginyu - 120 000 Son Goku - 60 000 Son Goku (max power) - 180 000 .:A Mile in My Shoes:. Ginyu ( Son Goku's Body) - 23000 Jeice - 42 000 Vegeta - 60 000 Kuririn - 17 000 Son Gohan - 22 000 .:Stalling:. Furiza - 530 000 Nail - 42 000 .:Furiza's Secret:. Furiza (form 1) - 530 000 Furiza (form 2) - 1 200 000 Vegeta - 60 000 Vegeta - 250 000 .:Another Transformation:. Furiza (form 2) - 1 200 000 Furiza (form 3) - 1 900 000 Piccolo (merged with Nail) - 1 200 000 .:Nightmare on Namek:. Vegeta - 900 000 Furiza (form 4) - 2 500 000 .:Legendary Super Saiyajin:. Furiza (form 4 - 33.33%) - 4 000 000 Furiza (form 4 - 50%) - 6 000 000 Furiza (form 4 - 70%) - 8 400 000 Furiza (form 4 - 100%) - 12 000 000 Son Goku's Base Level - 300 000 Son Goku Kaioken x10 - 3 000 000 Son Goku Kaioken x20 - 6 000 000 Super Saiyajin Son Goku - 15 000 000 .:Furiza is Back:. King Cold - 13 000 000 Furiza (Cyborg) - 13 500 000 Trunks (Supressed) - 5 Super Saiyajin Trunks - 17 000 000 Super Saiyajin Son Goku - 19 000 000 .:Android 19 and Android 20 Attack:. Android 19 - 9 000 000 Android 19 (First Energy Absorb) - 14 000 000 Android 19 (Second Energy Absorb) - 17 000 000 Android 19 (Handless) - 11 000 000 Android 20 - 9 000 000 Android 20 (First Energy Absorb) - 11 500 000 Android 20 (Second Energy Absorb) - 13 000 000 Android 20 (Third Energy Absorb) - 15 000 000 Android 20 (Armless) - 10 000 000 Super Saiyajin Trunks - 21 000 000 Super Saiyajin Son Goku - 24 000 000 Super Saiyajin Son Goku (sick) - 6 000 000 Super Saiyajin Vegeta - 26 000 000 Piccolo - 17 000 000 Son Gohan - 13 000 000 Kuririn - 4 500 000 Tenshinhan - 5 000 000 Yamucha- 3 000 000 .:Sadistic Duo and The Gentle Giant:. Android 16 - 45 000 000 Android 17 - 38 000 000 Android 18 - 38 000 000 Super Saiyajin Trunks - 21 000 000 Super Saiyajin Vegeta - 27 000 000 Piccolo - 17 000 000 Kuririn - 4 500 000 Tenshinhan - 5 000 000 .:Battle at the Ruins of Ginger Town:. Cell - 10 000 000 Cell (After Humans) - 19 500 000 Cell (After Piccolo) - 23 000 000 Piccolo - 40 000 000 .:Island Showdown:. Android 16 - 45 000 000 Android 17 - 38 000 000 Android 18 - 38 000 000 Cell - 44 500 000 Cell (Semi-Perfect) - 64 000 000 Piccolo - 40 000 000 Tenshinhan - 5 000 000 Tenshinhan (Shin Ki Ko Hoo) - 10 000 000 .:Android 18 is Missing:. Android 16 - 13 000 000 Android 18 - 38 000 000 Cell - 64 000 000 Cell (Perfect) - 120 000 000 Super Vegeta - 80 000 000 Super Saiyajin Trunks - 72 000 000 Ultra Trunks - 130 000 000 Kuririn - 4 500 000 .:The Cell Games:. Cell - 120 000 000 Ultra Cell - 200 000 000 Cell (Super Perfect) - 280 000 000 Cell Jr. - 95 000 000 Android 16 - 40 000 000 Son Goku - 115 000 000 Son Gohan - 100 000 000 Son Gohan (Super Saiyajin 2) - 275 000 000 Son Gohan (Super Saiyajin 2 Hurt) - 210 000 000 Son Gohan (Super Kamehameha) - 350 000 000 Trunks - 110 000 000 Vegeta - 112 000 000 Piccolo - 80 000 000 Tenshinhan - 9 500 000 Yamucha - 6 500 000 Kuririn - 10 000 000 Edited by Jinzoningen Gx-Mecha 8, Dec 14 2008, 02:44 PM.
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| DbzNerd | Dec 14 2008, 04:10 AM Post #2 |
 
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All you power level after the Freiza saga are wrong because no matter how strong Tien, Yamacha, and Krillen gotten they cannot b in their millions cause thats pure non sense seeing that even when Goku trained at a gravity higher than earths a couple of times he nvr even came close to the millions. So u put these 3 weaklings that only train on earth's gravity up 2 the millions that pure reduculous. I also disagree with you that on the 19 & 20 saga that piccolo suddenly went from 1million on the Freiza saga all the way to the 17millions on just 4 years at least on the earth's gravity. Like i explained training on earth is less efficient than training on high gravity so there's no way he can jump to that high it's even more reduculous. |
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| Famicommander | Dec 14 2008, 06:35 AM Post #3 |
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I think it would be ridiculous to assume that Tien wasn't in the millions. If he weren't, there's no way he would have been able to immobilize second form Cell with this Tri-Beam Cannon. I realize he wasn't actually doing much damage to Cell, and also that Tien was insignificant in comparison. But if you're telling me that he wasn't even as strong as second form Frieza when he did that, you're nuts. There's no way second form Frieza could have done that to second form Cell. No way. You're assuming that there's some rhyme or reason to the power progressions in the series. But that's clearly not the case, because Trunks and Goten were able to become Super Saiyans for no apparent reason when for Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan it took an incredible and emotional event. It took Goku from childhood until adulthood to get to <500, yet he got from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 3 in a matter of less than a decade. Power growth in the series seems to be exponentially curved rather than linear. Tien trained with King Kai for well over one Namekian year. He then trained the entire duration between the end of the Frieza saga and the moment he attacked Cell. That's a period of at least a few years. If you want to take a look at the effects of training with King Kai, look at Tien. His power level went from weaker than Nappa's to stronger than Burter's and Jeice's combined in the time between his death and their deaths. That's a huge increase. If you consider the fact that Tien dispatched of both Burter and Jeice with relative ease, then you accept that his power level must have been greater than 90,000. We know this because Tien used multiform to fight them, which means that half of Tien was still significantly more powerful than Burter, whose power level was apparently 45,000. So an increase of <2000 to >90000 in a relatively short amount of time. And he stayed on the planet for an entire Namekian year after Yamcha and Krillin were wished back. That's longer than Goku spent on the planet, and he had a training partner plus multiform in ten times gravity. Look how much Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, and Gohan improved in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Assuming that gravity in the Chamber is consistent with the gravity of earth, one or two years can have a significant impact on power level. And please, let's not try the "filler" argument. Dragonball Z is popular in the United States because of the anime, not the manga. To discount the events of the anime is ridiculous because without the anime we wouldn't even be talking about it right now. I'm aware that some of this is non-canonical, but in my view anime filler is fair game unless specifically stated otherwise. And it's irrelevant anyway; because Toriyama stopped listing power levels after the Frieza saga so it's all speculation. |
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| DbzNerd | Dec 14 2008, 01:27 PM Post #4 |
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I can't even believe you actually believe his attack can phase 2nd form Cell because of his power level. That Scene was completely PIS i repeat PIS let me explain. Tien was completely pwned by android 17 with ease srsly ease, 2nd form Cell is leagues away from android 17 which Cell completely pwned in his 1st form, and ur saying that Tien's Tri beam immobilizing 2nd form Cell is somehow related to his power level  . Srsly PIS is the best reason 4 that 2 happen or mayb AT just wanted Tien to do that because of Tien's fan.Ok i agree with you that it's dumb for Goten and Trunks to b SSJ with ease for no appearant reason at all but ur comparing 2 half breed saiyans who are stated to b much stronger and has more poteintal than pure blooded saiyans to Tien. Power progressions have indeed no rhyme but dude..... they're examples of how their power level can progress. Example Tien spent 1 year training on earth's gravity to fight the saiyans and he ended up with a power level of 1,180. Goku trained on 10x gravity on King Kai planet for 6 months and he had a power level of 8,000. Goku trained on 20-100 gravity and achieved a power of 90,000 (4 got how long he trainged). So now ur saying Tien trained like on King Kai planet for 2 years and earth for like 3 years and he suddenly have a power level beyond 1million. Even though they're no rhyme it's completely ridiculous to actually believe his training feats can even compare to Goku's yet somehow he got to the millions while Goku overall only got up to 90,000s. The Hyperbolic Time Chamber has a gravity of x10 that of earth's (explained in the manga). Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan only improved dramaticly because they were training to find a level beyond that of a Super Saiyan and mastered it. Vegeta/Trunks took 6 months 2 achieve and master the USSJ form and spent the remainding 6 month training while Goku/Gohan took less than a year to master the MSSJ form. Piccolo im not sure how much he improved but he was at least able to hold a Cell Jr himself. It's true that it's only speculation but that doesn't mean that using facts to make a good estimate of were their power level stands is 100% false. Example r given above that Tien, Yamacha, Krillen cannot b in their millions not even at the end of DBZ. I am completely silent on the part where u said using the filler argument is unfair  .Man the quoting here is hard Edited by DbzNerd, Dec 14 2008, 01:55 PM.
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| DbzNerd | Dec 14 2008, 01:43 PM Post #5 |
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Cyborg Frieza's power level should b = to his final form 33% or 50% seeing that he was not powered up to his maxium 100% form. Goku and Trunks should b at 15,000,000-16,000,000 seeing that Zenkai boost is gone and Goku said they were equal in power. Your power level on King Cold is wrong because no matter how i see it he cannot b stronger than 100% final form freiza. |
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| Jinzoningen Gx-Mecha 8 | Dec 14 2008, 02:52 PM Post #6 |
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Hey DbzNerd, sure you have a point but the Power Levels of Android Saga are what I think is correct and it is pretty harsh just to say " All you power level after the Freiza saga are wrong " c'mon don't be such a meanie.... and by the way its spelled RIDICULOUS and plese just edit you old comments we dont want this topic to be littered with posts from only one user.... Edited by Jinzoningen Gx-Mecha 8, Dec 14 2008, 08:52 PM.
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| DbzNerd | Dec 14 2008, 04:56 PM Post #7 |
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My mistake i only meant Tien, Yamacha, and Krillen. Sry if i disrespected u  .I just figured that out from famicommander post  .
Edited by DbzNerd, Dec 14 2008, 05:04 PM.
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| * Mitas | Dec 14 2008, 05:33 PM Post #8 |
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Firstly Jizoningen, it'd be appreciated if you didn't call somebody a douchebag. We try and uphold a friendly atmosphere around here. Secondly, it is not harsh to say all power levels after Trunks' of 5 when he arrives are wrong, it is fact. It was the last power level given by Akira Toriyama. Anything after that is fan-made. Also you didn't give those power levels, you got them from a website as I remember reading that exact list a few years ago. |
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| Gokan | Dec 14 2008, 07:11 PM Post #9 |
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they from myfavoritegames.com and how can Goku be at 300 000? he was near equal with frieza at 1% where as vegeta was completely outclassed. |
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| * Mitas | Dec 14 2008, 07:42 PM Post #10 |
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Oh wait a minute, I misread the opening post. He doesn't say that he made the list, just that it is a list he thinks is correct, so my bad. With power levels not stated, we can only estimate. No unstated power levels can be correct. This is shown by the estimated power levels being rounded to the nearest ten, whereas the majority of stated power levels aren't as rounded e.g. the power levels of Krillin and Roshi that are read by Bulma's scouter. |
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| Famicommander | Dec 14 2008, 08:23 PM Post #11 |
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You can't say things like that. You're just tossing your opinion around with no actual basis in the anime or manga. Sorry, but "Your power level on King Cold is wrong because no matter how i see it he cannot b stronger than 100% final form freiza." is not how you debate. It doesn't matter how you see it. Back up your opinion with actual events from the anime or manga. |
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| Jinzoningen Gx-Mecha 8 | Dec 14 2008, 08:52 PM Post #12 |
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Actually I did do this myself..... Edited by Jinzoningen Gx-Mecha 8, Dec 14 2008, 08:54 PM.
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| DbzNerd | Dec 14 2008, 09:11 PM Post #13 |
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 i thought i typed it on that last post. Frieza couldn't of been stronger than 100% final form freiza because he didn't power up 2 it. His final form has huge muscle but on his Cyborg form he looks like he was at 1-50%. Goku stated that learned the IT and mastering his SSJ transformation in outer space and mention nothing about training to get stronger so it'ss possible he still had a power level of 15,000,000-16,000,000. Goku said he and Trunks were equal yet Trunks killed Freiza with ease proved that Frieza wasn't at 100% final form so 1-50% seem to b a good guess. No matter how i see it anime or manga King Cold is weak so there's no way he's at the 13,000,000s. He's power level was able to sacred Vegeta & co so his power should b higher than 3,000,000 yet lower than 100% final form Freiza since Trunks killed him with ease even though he gave him his sword.It was later stated by King Kai that Goku was using Kaioken x10 the whole fight so 300,000 should is mostly accurate. Edited by DbzNerd, Dec 14 2008, 10:09 PM.
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| Famicommander | Dec 15 2008, 01:59 AM Post #14 |
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That's speculation. How do you know that Cyborg Frieza even required a power-up in the first place? Perhaps he was at full power, and the metal parts of his body make up for his loss in muscle mass. Or maybe he found a way to increase his power level without increasing muscle mass. The point is, you dont know. There is no evidence that Trunks and Goku were equal, and we have no idea how strong Goku became in his training. You're pulling that 15 million estimate out of nowhere. Nothing is concrete. You're still speculating and touting your opinions as fact. |
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| * Mitas | Dec 15 2008, 02:26 PM Post #15 |
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Guys speculation is all we can do here. There is no point arguing on exact power levels that weren't ever stated as there is no right answer to possibly give. |
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